In this insightful conversation, Polly talks with journalist Diana Johnstone —an American living in Paris — about the current state of affairs in the War in Ukraine. They talk about the history of this war and the American ideology of “needing to defeat the Bad Guy” as it is produced in a Hollywood style fairytale about the American character as fighting the "good fight." Diana talks about the risks to European countries right now of developing economic, psychological and social deterioration as relationships with Russia decline. She talks about the US media fostering a culture of hate in which Americans are meant to distrust strong leaders of countries far away. The conversation ends with support of dialogue and the ability to see, hear, and feel another’s point of view, instead of organizing one’s world in terms of “winners” and “losers” or “good guys” and “bad guys."
Pay Attention Interviews: Joanna Macy: Staying Alive: Vitality, Love and Intimacy in your Nineties
In this extraordinary conversation, Polly and Joanna talk about her translations of and commentary on the poetry and letters of Rainer Maria Rilke. Rilke’s ideas and insights about living fully as the means of creating God and world have guided Joanna in her personal life through the decades since her mid-twenties. While she herself was engaged in political and social activism, and Buddhist practice, her approach to everything was guided by Rilke’s unique perceptions of reality. Together here, Polly and Joanna laugh about and discover new perspectives on their own lives.
Pay Attention Interviews: Diana Johnstone: Trans-Humanism in Our Lives and Our Children's Lives
Have you ever wondered about Trans-humanism? What does it mean and how might it impact your family and your relationships? In this interview, Polly talks with journalist Diana Johnstone about the implications of Trans-Humanism and Trans-Genderism in our lives right now. They also talk about the ways in which humanist and gender categories have shifted as the result of recent changes in progressive politics in Europe and the US.
Pay Attention Interviews: Beth Jacobs: Why the Psychology of Early Buddhism is Important Now
Beth Jacobs is a writer and a clinical psychologist in practice in Chicago. She is a lay teacher in the Soto Zen tradition who integrates Buddhist studies and practice into both her clinical work and creative expression. Beth and Polly explore the relationship of early Buddhist psychology to present-day psychotherapy and the development of consciousness individuals. Dr. Jacobs’s expertise on Abhidharma broadens our perspective on the observational powers of the human mind: that humans can train themselves to become aware of the nano-second process of the coming into being of awareness, moment by moment.
Pay Attention Interviews: Michael Lewis: The Role of Self-Consciousness and Shame in Humans
Michael Lewis is University Distinguished Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry, and director of the Institute for the Study of Child Development at Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. Polly and Michael talk about the developmental role of the self-conscious emotions, those emotions that emerge in humans around 18 months of age. Dr. Lewis’s wide-ranging and influential research on shame is a major part of their conversation, as they come to understand how shame functions in individuals and groups. This is an extraordinary opportunity to learn from a leading researcher how and why the human self forms and grows from an emotional core of interactive patterns between children and caregivers.
Pay Attention Interviews: David Phillips: Surveillance, Queer Theory, and Technology
David Phillips, Ph.D. is Associate Professor Emeritus of Information at the University of Toronto whose interdisciplinary emphasis is expressed in his studies of surveillance, queer theory, and infrastructure. In this interview, he talks with Polly about how his early interests in Queer Theory led to his study of surveillance through the use of technology. David talks about dedicating his work to helping people understand how and why technology is not “serving us” but more that “we are serving technology."
Ayo Yetunde: A Buddhist Path through the Thickets of Anti-Racism
Ayo Yetunde is an author, pastoral counselor, and Community Dharma Leader. She and Polly talk about the strengths and weaknesses of a Dharma-based approach to anti-racism. How do justice and compassion work together in anti-racism? Where is the larger Western Dharma community heading in regard to anti-racism? An eye-opening and inspiring conversation on anti-racism, Buddhism, and the nature of identity, this conversation will take you into fresh and challenging terrain.
Pay Attention Interviews: Ken Wilson: The Pros and Cons of Getting Close to God as a Christian Evangelical
Ken Wilson is a pastor and the author of several books, including Mystically Wired and A Letter to My Congregation: An Evangelical Pastor’s Path to Embracing Those Who Are Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Into the Company of Jesus. He and Polly talk about what “evangelical” means, lifting the stereotypes of Evangelical Christianity and the future and evolution of the movement.
Pay Attention Interviews: Polly Young-Eisendrath: Truth is Important: How Do We Discern It?
In this conversation with Arthur Samuelson, the Program Director of the Rowe Conference Center, Polly talks about subjective and objective truth and how/why they relate to the limits or constraints of reality. She also talks about why she developed Pay Attention: Interviews About Truth in Troubling Times and how she chooses guests for this program.
Pay Attention Interviews: Ken Wilber: Waking Up and Growing Up
Ken Wilber is an American philosopher and writer on transpersonal psychology and his own integral theory, a systematic philosophy that describes a synthesis of all human knowledge and experience. Polly and Ken talk about the ways in which spiritual awakening (waking up) and adult development (growing up) can be confusingly out of sync so that spiritual and political insights often seem at odds. They also apply the framework of adult development to the problems of the “regressive Left” and the fragmentation of identity politics in our current period.
Pay Attention Interviews: Katherine Woodward Thomas: Remaining Conscious and Compassionate During Separation and Divorce
Katherine Woodward Thomas is a therapist and author of Conscious Uncoupling: Five Steps to Living Happily Even After. She and Polly engage in a spirited discussion about attachment, separation, and grief that are involved in uncoupling. Does your ex-partner have to be your enemy? The resistance and reality of using Katherine’s model and embracing the stages of uncoupling in a conscious manner.
Pay Attention Interviews: Amina Motala: Bitcoin, Cryptocurrency and the Meaning of Money
Amina Motala is a podcaster and conservative commentator who speaks with Polly about topics from blockchain and crypto-currencies to morality and money in human societies. She comes from a long lineage of “truth warriors” with unique insight into what it means to have authentic and honest media and government.
Pay Attention Interviews: David Jobes: A Deeper Look at Suicide Prevention
David Jobes is an internationally recognized suicidologist, professor, and researcher. He talks with Polly about his Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality (CAMS) assessment method which gives people who are suicidal hope, skills, and insight into dealing with their profound suffering. They talk about shame, despair, and the tools needed to help teens and young adults with suicidal ideation.
Pay Attention Interviews: Mark Matousek: Becoming a Witness to the Truth of Your Life
Mark Matousek is a bestselling author, teacher, and speaker whose work focuses on personal awakening and creative excellence through transformational writing and self-inquiry. He and Polly talk about truth and how it relates to spiritual development, conscience, finding and aligning personal integrity. And finally, hope for the coming era and finding some kind of truth that will allow greater ease and peace among our species.
Pay Attention Interviews: Light Therapy for Memory, Attention and Brain Health: An Interview with Terry Moore
Terry Moore is a leader in science and research. He and Polly discuss his company Homeolux, and its products designed to battle cognitive decline and cognitive impairment. They have a personal meaning to Terri as they are part of his response to his wife's Alzheimer's diagnosis. Homeolux brings hope to the millions of people around the world who are affected by neurodegenerative brain disease.
Pay Attention Interviews: The Future of Money: An Interview with Fabian Grummes
Fabian Grummes lives in China, speaks Mandarin, and also has a Western background. Polly and he talked about several issues that might help those of us in North America anticipate the role that might be played by China in our future and become familiar with the cultural perspectives of China. We also talk about the Austrian School of Economics and how that fits with the work he has been doing. His knowledge about money will bring you to the edge of your experience with it.
The Neurobiology of Psychotherapy and Couple Relationships: An Interview with Jeremy Holmes
Jeremy Holmes, psychiatrist, author, and widely recognized expert on attachment theory speaks about current research on the neurobiology of relationships in psychotherapy and families, and his new model of psychic energy (renewing both Freud’s and Jung’s interest in developing such a model). He also touches on a psychotherapeutic model for working with “top-down” and “bottom-up” aspects of our desires and behaviors.
Conscious Parenting in Troubling Times: An Interview with Aliza Pressman
Aliza Pressman is a child development and parenting expert, developmental psychologist and the host of the weekly podcast Raising Good Humans. She talks with Polly about her own experiences of having moved across the country during the pandemic, changing schools and neighborhoods, with her two children, one a teenager and the other a preteen. Polly and Aliza discuss the problems of today’s parenting when you feel like a “peer” to your kids because they can’t see friends, and so you’re trying to be a “friend.” Aliza talks about what parents can do to structure the day with kids at home so much, and together Polly and Aliza describe how parents create the “emotional weather” in the kids’ lives growing up.