Ken Wilber is an American philosopher and writer on transpersonal psychology and his own integral theory, a systematic philosophy that describes a synthesis of all human knowledge and experience. Polly and Ken talk about the ways in which spiritual awakening (waking up) and adult development (growing up) can be confusingly out of sync so that spiritual and political insights often seem at odds. They also apply the framework of adult development to the problems of the “regressive Left” and the fragmentation of identity politics in our current period.